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·2 days ago

Could we Build a User Governed Social Media Platform?

We'll never know the full implications of the decisions made by Nikita at twitter, just because they changed their algo.

That is bullshit.

A brief history

I had ChatGPT summarize the governance models of the major social media platforms.

Platform / eraGovernance in one line
UsenetAn anarchic federation: server operators chose what to carry, while individual newsgroups could appoint moderators, with no universal sovereign.
SlashdotA technocratic jury system: editors selected stories, trusted users scored comments, and other users audited those scores through metamoderation.
WikipediaA consensus republic: communities write and enforce most rules collectively, while the Wikimedia Foundation retains the constitutional and legal backstop.
Classic DiggAlgorithm-mediated direct democracy: users voted content up or down, but the company secretly determined how votes translated into power.
RedditPlatform federalism: Reddit sets the constitution, volunteer moderators rule individual communities, and users vote on visibility—not governance itself.
Facebook / Instagram / ThreadsA corporate monarchy with a supreme court: Meta controls policy, product, and algorithms, while an independent board reviews a narrow set of moderation decisions.
X / TwitterAn owner-led monarchy with a citizen fact-checking jury: X centrally governs the platform, while Community Notes can add context but cannot enforce the rules.
YouTubeAn algorithmic bureaucracy: Google writes global rules, machines and employees enforce them, creators may appeal, and users mainly vote with attention.
TikTokAn algorithmic benevolent dictatorship: the company centrally controls rules, enforcement, and distribution, with AI doing much of the governing at scale.
DiscordPrivate-city governance: Discord establishes universal law, while each server owner appoints a local government that can impose stricter rules.
MastodonA federation of city-states: each server makes and enforces its own rules and can cut diplomatic relations with other servers.
LemmyFederated Reddit: instance administrators govern the jurisdiction, community moderators govern forums, and instances decide whom to federate with.
BlueskyComposable governance: the main app has default rules, but users can move identity, choose feeds, and layer independent moderation services over the network.
NostrProtocol anarchism: nobody governs the network globally; relays decide what they will host, clients decide what they display, and users can route around either.
FarcasterRough-consensus technocracy: developers propose protocol changes, node operators decide what code to run, and clients independently govern presentation and moderation.
Steem / HiveToken-weighted plutocracy: stake determines voting influence over block producers, funding, rewards, and ultimately the network’s direction.

We've never had a social media platform governed by users!

What might that look like? How could we do it? Guaranteed, there has never been one bootstrapped by a bigger gov nerd than chainpy.eth and the folks at Agora.

Lets try. What would, should, or could it look like?

What if all revenue and expenses for the platform was onchain? What might be achieved, if alignment was found? Is it even possible? What mechanisms would be needed?

It needs to fund itself, it needs to throw off enough revenue and profit to sustain itself, but other than that - it wouldn't need to think about global domination, pandering to advertisers, or surveillance capitalism.

How would it work?

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alexsotodigital.eth·2 days agoAttested onchain

Hi there! GM.

I love the question, and the “governance in one line” table is a great way to open this conversation. My only caution is that these labels can flatten very different layers of governance. Mastodon is federated, but an instance may still be controlled by one administrator; Reddit delegates moderation while retaining authority over the platform; and cases like Wikipedia or Social.coop complicate the claim that user-governed social media has never existed.

I might frame the gap more narrowly: we have never seen a genuinely user-owned and user-governed social network achieve mass-market network effects.

By the way, network effects may also be the hardest part of the challenge. It could be less about designing the perfect governance model from scratch and more about helping existing efforts such as Farcaster, Mastodon, Bluesky, and Nostr combine their strengths and reach enough critical mass for migration to become real (and from there, refine the governance model based on actual operations.).

User governance also should not require everyone to behave like a delegate: settings, surveys, usage choices, and feedback already provide valuable signals, while smaller groups with greater commitment and alignment can take on representative responsibility.

A better classification

Instead of assigning each platform a single political regime, I would examine six layers:

  • Ownership and economics: Who owns the assets and receives the surplus?
  • Protocol and infrastructure: Who can change the underlying system?
  • Rules and moderation: Who sets and enforces acceptable behaviour?
  • Ranking and distribution: Who decides what receives attention?
  • Representation: How are user signals turned into decisions?
  • Exit and portability: Can users leave without losing identity, relationships, and content?

This produces clearer families:

  • Corporate sovereigns: Meta, X, YouTube, TikTok
  • Central platforms with delegated local authority: Reddit, Discord, Slashdot, Digg
  • Federated operator networks: Usenet, Mastodon, Lemmy
  • Composable protocol ecosystems: Bluesky, Nostr, Farcaster
  • Stake-governed networks: Steem and Hive
  • Community-governed commons or cooperatives: Wikipedia and Social.coop

It also reveals why putting revenue and expenses onchain would help with financial accountability, but would not by itself create user governance. The deeper questions are who appoints operators, controls ranking, changes policies, resolves disputes, and can amend the governance system.

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chainpy.eth·yesterday

Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

You raise a very valid point.

I think I'm most interested in figuring out how to release control in terms of:

    1. material changes
    1. the economics
    1. the exit rights

I'm very open to innovating on all those fronts. If I could find the magic mechanism that felt credible and defendable, without adding cost, or creating a security, then I'd run with it!

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alexsotodigital.eth·12 hours agoAttested onchain

Hi there. I’d be very interested in helping think through that co-design. :)

My instinct is that the credible path is progressive rather than trying to do everything at once:

  • 1.- start with a clear user covenant, transparent economics, and protected exit rights;
  • 2.- then introduce a representative stakeholder council with authority over a narrowly defined set of material changes.
  • 3.- When there is sufficient scale and maturity: structural independence

So the transfer takes place by domain and through milestones

The key questions seem to be:

  • What decisions should the core team never be able to make unilaterally?
  • Which economic rules should be transparent versus community-controlled?
  • What would make exit genuinely credible? Not just data export, but the ability for users or communities to continue elsewhere without losing identity, relationships, or value

Who should we bring into the conversation to answer these questions?

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@ block #25631615 held 2

Could we Build a User Governed Social Media Platform?

We'll never know the full implications of the decisions made by Nikita at twitter, just because they changed their algo.

That is bullshit.

A brief history

I had ChatGPT summarize the governance models of the major social media platforms.

Platform / eraGovernance in one line
UsenetAn anarchic federation: server operators chose what to carry, while individual newsgroups could appoint moderators, with no universal sovereign.
SlashdotA technocratic jury system: editors selected stories, trusted users scored comments, and other users audited those scores through metamoderation.
WikipediaA consensus republic: communities write and enforce most rules collectively, while the Wikimedia Foundation retains the constitutional and legal backstop.
Classic DiggAlgorithm-mediated direct democracy: users voted content up or down, but the company secretly determined how votes translated into power.
RedditPlatform federalism: Reddit sets the constitution, volunteer moderators rule individual communities, and users vote on visibility—not governance itself.
Facebook / Instagram / ThreadsA corporate monarchy with a supreme court: Meta controls policy, product, and algorithms, while an independent board reviews a narrow set of moderation decisions.
X / TwitterAn owner-led monarchy with a citizen fact-checking jury: X centrally governs the platform, while Community Notes can add context but cannot enforce the rules.
YouTubeAn algorithmic bureaucracy: Google writes global rules, machines and employees enforce them, creators may appeal, and users mainly vote with attention.
TikTokAn algorithmic benevolent dictatorship: the company centrally controls rules, enforcement, and distribution, with AI doing much of the governing at scale.
DiscordPrivate-city governance: Discord establishes universal law, while each server owner appoints a local government that can impose stricter rules.
MastodonA federation of city-states: each server makes and enforces its own rules and can cut diplomatic relations with other servers.
LemmyFederated Reddit: instance administrators govern the jurisdiction, community moderators govern forums, and instances decide whom to federate with.
BlueskyComposable governance: the main app has default rules, but users can move identity, choose feeds, and layer independent moderation services over the network.
NostrProtocol anarchism: nobody governs the network globally; relays decide what they will host, clients decide what they display, and users can route around either.
FarcasterRough-consensus technocracy: developers propose protocol changes, node operators decide what code to run, and clients independently govern presentation and moderation.
Steem / HiveToken-weighted plutocracy: stake determines voting influence over block producers, funding, rewards, and ultimately the network’s direction.

We've never had a social media platform governed by users!

What might that look like? How could we do it? Guaranteed, there has never been one bootstrapped by a bigger gov nerd than chainpy.eth and the folks at Agora.

Lets try. What would, should, or could it look like?

What if all revenue and expenses for the platform was onchain? What might be achieved, if alignment was found? Is it even possible? What mechanisms would be needed?

It needs to fund itself, it needs to throw off enough revenue and profit to sustain itself, but other than that - it wouldn't need to think about global domination, pandering to advertisers, or surveillance capitalism.

How would it work?

3 comments

alexsotodigital.eth·2 days agoAttested onchain

Hi there! GM.

I love the question, and the “governance in one line” table is a great way to open this conversation. My only caution is that these labels can flatten very different layers of governance. Mastodon is federated, but an instance may still be controlled by one administrator; Reddit delegates moderation while retaining authority over the platform; and cases like Wikipedia or Social.coop complicate the claim that user-governed social media has never existed.

I might frame the gap more narrowly: we have never seen a genuinely user-owned and user-governed social network achieve mass-market network effects.

By the way, network effects may also be the hardest part of the challenge. It could be less about designing the perfect governance model from scratch and more about helping existing efforts such as Farcaster, Mastodon, Bluesky, and Nostr combine their strengths and reach enough critical mass for migration to become real (and from there, refine the governance model based on actual operations.).

User governance also should not require everyone to behave like a delegate: settings, surveys, usage choices, and feedback already provide valuable signals, while smaller groups with greater commitment and alignment can take on representative responsibility.

A better classification

Instead of assigning each platform a single political regime, I would examine six layers:

  • Ownership and economics: Who owns the assets and receives the surplus?
  • Protocol and infrastructure: Who can change the underlying system?
  • Rules and moderation: Who sets and enforces acceptable behaviour?
  • Ranking and distribution: Who decides what receives attention?
  • Representation: How are user signals turned into decisions?
  • Exit and portability: Can users leave without losing identity, relationships, and content?

This produces clearer families:

  • Corporate sovereigns: Meta, X, YouTube, TikTok
  • Central platforms with delegated local authority: Reddit, Discord, Slashdot, Digg
  • Federated operator networks: Usenet, Mastodon, Lemmy
  • Composable protocol ecosystems: Bluesky, Nostr, Farcaster
  • Stake-governed networks: Steem and Hive
  • Community-governed commons or cooperatives: Wikipedia and Social.coop

It also reveals why putting revenue and expenses onchain would help with financial accountability, but would not by itself create user governance. The deeper questions are who appoints operators, controls ranking, changes policies, resolves disputes, and can amend the governance system.

4
chainpy.eth·yesterday

Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

You raise a very valid point.

I think I'm most interested in figuring out how to release control in terms of:

    1. material changes
    1. the economics
    1. the exit rights

I'm very open to innovating on all those fronts. If I could find the magic mechanism that felt credible and defendable, without adding cost, or creating a security, then I'd run with it!

1
alexsotodigital.eth·12 hours agoAttested onchain

Hi there. I’d be very interested in helping think through that co-design. :)

My instinct is that the credible path is progressive rather than trying to do everything at once:

  • 1.- start with a clear user covenant, transparent economics, and protected exit rights;
  • 2.- then introduce a representative stakeholder council with authority over a narrowly defined set of material changes.
  • 3.- When there is sufficient scale and maturity: structural independence

So the transfer takes place by domain and through milestones

The key questions seem to be:

  • What decisions should the core team never be able to make unilaterally?
  • Which economic rules should be transparent versus community-controlled?
  • What would make exit genuinely credible? Not just data export, but the ability for users or communities to continue elsewhere without losing identity, relationships, or value

Who should we bring into the conversation to answer these questions?

1
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